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Tarok
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:21 PM UTC
Greetings all,

Seeing as how the Aircraft and Armor forums have got trivia/knowledge exchanges going, I thought it would be nice to start something similar here.

The point of "The figure trivia/knowledge exchange" is to share knowledge and trivial information about uniforms, personal gear, and personal weapons. All eras are elligile - and yes, I realize this makes it very broad, but the point of this exercise to learn something new.

Rules are basic:

1.) Have FUN!
2.) First person to answer the question correctly gets to ask the next question.
3.) Have FUN!
4.) If a question is unanswered after a week (7 days) the answer should be given, and someone given a chance to ask a question.
5.) Have FUN!


Pretty simple really..... did I mention the point is to have FUN?

I'll start us off (in my next post)

Rudi
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:24 PM UTC
WWII.... South African troops were issued with the British MkII helmet.

What small "modification" was made to this before being issued? And for a bonus point, what was the purpose of this "modification"?

Rudi

p.s. no one said the questions had to be easy, and besides, us figurists are the cream of the modelling crop. :-)
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:28 PM UTC
Hm ... i see deep waters here..okok ..ket me think ...and i ll get back
john17
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 12:56 PM UTC
OK Rudi...here's my stab at it.

The modification was to have three small holes drilled in the rear rim to accomodate a neck flap.

Am I close?

Oh, and thanks again for getting this exciting trivia exchange underway!

Three cheers for Rudi!!!


John
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 01:08 PM UTC
Damn John, you're good!!!!!! :-) :-) :-) Spot on!!!!

Over to you.... :-) :-) :-)
john17
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 01:33 PM UTC
LOL. Thanks Rudi!

Not that it is required, but my question will stay in the realm of headgear as Rudi's was.

Not sure if this is an easy one or not, but here it goes:

The Napoleonic Hussars 1801-model Shako....

How tall was it in millimeters, and what was the diameter in millimeters?


Hope you guys don't hate me for this one!!!! :-)

John
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 08:20 PM UTC

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LOL. Thanks Rudi!

Not that it is required, but my question will stay in the realm of headgear as Rudi's was.

Not sure if this is an easy one or not, but here it goes:

The Napoleonic Hussars 1801-model Shako....

How tall was it in milimeters, and what was the diameter in milimeters?


Hope you guys don't hate me for this one!!!! :-)

John



John - what nationality are you specifically asking about - many countries hussars wore shakos!
john17
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Posted: Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:14 AM UTC
Sorry Dave if I left out some info.

I was specifically speaking of the 1801 model shako worn by French Hussars.

Hope this helps!

John
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Posted: Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:16 AM UTC
I've found the height listed as 205mm, but just can't find the diameter listed in any of my reference books or on the 'net.
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Posted: Friday, January 13, 2006 - 10:58 AM UTC

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I've found the height listed as 205mm, but just can't find the diameter listed in any of my reference books or on the 'net.



LOL, that's the same problems I'm running into... can't find the diameter...

BTW, is it the internal or external diameter?
john17
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Posted: Friday, January 13, 2006 - 12:10 PM UTC
LOL Rudi. I believe what I'm looking for is the external diameter. Perhaps I've started off with too tough of a question.

I will let you guys know that the answer came out of an older Osprey Men At Arms book that I have.

If you think I've made this too hard, let me know and I'll pose a more reasonable question.

Cheers,

John
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 04:21 PM UTC
Thanks for the tip John.

Any takers?
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 05:21 PM UTC
The diameter was 220 mm.
And the height was 190mm.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 08:19 AM UTC
Andy! You got it buddy!

Phew...I was afraid I put too obscure of a question to start off with. Glad you answered it correctly.

You're up Andy! Give us your question.

John
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:20 AM UTC

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The diameter was 220 mm.
And the height was 190mm.



Nicely done, Andy. Had me scratching my head for days. Where'd you find the answer?

Give us your question mate.
AndyD
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:56 AM UTC
It's pretty sad really...
I remembered it (the 220 mm part only - I rang a mate for the height) - I read it at a mate place Osprey's "Napoleon's Hussar's" I think... and being more of a WW2 and modern guy was making fun of the fact that the must have had very big melons those frenchies...
Then my friend pointed out the difference between radius and diameter ....... and poked fun at my university education. :-) :-)
Kinda of stuck in my head since - lol

My question:
What's the name of the Roman legionaries hooded cape?
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:15 PM UTC

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What's the name of the Roman legionaries hooded cape?



The paenula?
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 01:08 PM UTC
The Paenula was the hooded cloak, and the Sagum was the same thing without the hood.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 01:18 PM UTC
Tarok is correct - balls in his court
Tarok
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 01:40 PM UTC

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Tarok is correct - balls in his court



A bit more info on Roman cloaks:

"There were two types of cloak in use, the sagum and the paenula. Both seem to have been some shade of brown or yellowish-brown in colour; apparently a particular type of wool was preferred, its natural oils making the fabric nearly waterproof. The cloak doubles as the soldier's bedroll on campaign. The sagum is rectangular, blanket-sized or larger. It is simply pinned with a fibula at the shoulder or throat. The paenula may have been semi-circular, circular, or oval. A circular or semi-circular pattern should be at least 45" in radius, and can be made from 2 or more pieces sewn together with a flat overlap seam. An oval should be about 60" wide by about 3 yards long. In any case, the paenula should be knee-length or longer. A semi-circle is closed at the front either with pins, toggles, or hooks. A circle or oval has a neck hole (c. 6" diameter) and the front is slit open part way or all the way to it, with similar closures. The paenula can have a hood about 12" square sewn to the neck hole, or to a semi-circular cutout in the straight edge of the semi-circular type. About 3 yards of 60"-wide wool is needed for a semi-circular or oval paenula, and c. 6 yards for a circular one. "



Since I've had a go already, and in the spirit of keeping this fresh I'm going to cede my go to the first person to ask a question...
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 06:14 PM UTC
I've got one.

On the US Army BDU's/DCU's, what is the proper placement, in inches of the unit patch on the left sleeve and the US flag on the right sleeve. And if a combat patch is worn on the right sleeve, what is the measurements for it and the US Flag.

Hey, what do you expect from an NCO like me?
Epi
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 09:01 PM UTC
No takers?

Here is a hint: The answer was posted here a while back.
FAUST
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:45 PM UTC
Ola guys

I reallyl like this kind of trivia things... makes me crawl into crevaces of the internet to search for things I don't know.

The answer to EPI's question should be:


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Rank – 1 inch from the point of the collar, centered

Unit Patch (Left Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered. When a Ranger or Sapper tab is worn, the tab is ½ inch from seam and the patch is ¼ inch from tab

Combat Patch (Right Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered.

US Flag (Right Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered. If a combat patch is worn, the Combat patch is ½ inch from seam, centered and the flag is 1/8 inch from combat patch.
(Note on the Combat Patch – A soldier has to be in a combat zone for 30 days or more in order to be authorized to wear the combat patch. You may notice some pictures of units that don’t have combat patches on the right shoulder, then after a while, new pictures will show them with them on. This is the reason why.)



Probably Pete can tell you guys exactly where I found it.


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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:46 PM UTC
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I've got one.

On the US Army BDU's/DCU's, what is the proper placement, in inches of the unit patch on the left sleeve and the US flag on the right sleeve. And if a combat patch is worn on the right sleeve, what is the measurements for it and the US Flag.

Hey, what do you expect from an NCO like me?



Not complete but best I can come up with......hard question!

Unit Patch (Left Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered. When a Ranger or Sapper tab is worn, the tab is ½ inch from seam and the patch is ¼ inch from tab

Combat Patch (Right Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered.

US Flag (Right Shoulder) – ½ inch from seam, centered. If a combat patch is worn, the Combat patch is ½ inch from seam, centered and the flag is 1/8 inch from combat patch.

Combat patch size Cannot find a reference to a standard size. I assume you mean a square or rectangle that the shield/circle/triangle whatever fits in?

Flag size 1 13/16" x 3 1/2"
Epi
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:09 PM UTC
Wow, that took a little while. Both of you are correct.

Now where did you find that answer, HMMM?????

Actually, I got the answer from Army Regulation 670-1 Wear and Apperance of the Army Uniform and posted it here a while back.

Next question goes to you two guys.