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flitzer
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 01:24 PM UTC
Hi
I noticed some members were having a little trouble with colours when displayed on the web....me included.
The colours on the profiles I do, often appear much lighter and brighter than on the originals.
So I've done a little test to see which mix displays the most accurate.

First is RLM 82. If this works I'll do a few more.


You could help if you could post which looks the most like RLM 82 on your computer screen.

So which looks the most accurate to you?

Many thanks.

Cheers
Peter
:-)
flitzer
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:05 PM UTC
And RLM 83...



Same again as for 82. Which looks the closest to the correct shade?


So which looks the most accurate to you?

Wow what a response
must be one of the most exciting excercises on site

:-) :-) :-)

Cheers and thanks
Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 08:15 PM UTC
Peter,
Lol...well if I had a pantone color guide (printed) I would be checking for sure. Or I suppose if you work in a paint store?

You had better suggest ways for people to actually do the comparing? Or do you mean just by looking at the paint or paint container on hand??

Jim
flitzer
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:22 PM UTC
Hi Jim...
just trying to improve th breed :-)

Comparison.... with what anyone deems is the right shade.
There are many on site who can spot RLM83 from 5 miles away . So the more eyes the better.

I was curious as to what other members actually see on their rigs colourwise.
And it could answer a few questions of my own...i.e.
...By posting the WW2 HomeCharm paint card I can see which mix reproduces on screen the most acurately to my refs so I can do my profiles more satisfactorily.

Stand by for 81 and 75.
More exciting issues due...mouthwatering 76 and fungus 80 or if you are relly flash...peachy 79.

Its all for a good cause... ...me....AND of course the end user.
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So to get the ball rolling...
My choice for 82 is D...on PC at home
and for 83 C again on PC at home.

These choices confer with those on Mac at work.


So please, please respond.

Many thanks.
Peter
Yes I know I can be weird at times....but thats just me

Cheers
Peter #:-) #:-) :-) oh go on then.... No its shtill Dee and shCee...
batter try again... shtill the shame ones...hic
flitzer
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:29 PM UTC
Haha...nearly forgot...

The 82 and 83 I've been using from my standard palette of RLM colours for profiles are...
82 - A
83 -A

As I mentioned these look much darker on my mac in photoshop....

Tahtah for now

Cheers
Peter

anyone got any seltzer....all in the interests of science of course
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:32 PM UTC
I don't have RLM 82 or RLM 83 here at work but I can tell you this, on my monitor at work there is very little difference in the RLM 82 colors listed here, and virtualy NO difference in the RLM 83 colors. On the 82 there is a bit of difference between A and the rest, but the rest, B, C, D, E, seem to be just a bit darker than A, with no difference in colors. If there is any differences between any of the 83 colors my tired old eyes can't see it.

flitzer
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Posted: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:39 PM UTC
Thanks Rodge...

Sorry if it all looks the same.
But I assure you on both this pc at home [Please note Jean - Luc it is a LCD lol] and my mac at work there are differences.

Sounds like you need a wet...See you in the Cyber bar...I'm busy having the hind leg of the dog...lying under the table staring at the underside, trying to decide which shade of 81 it most resembles

Cheers
Peter
:-)
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:02 AM UTC
Hi Peter!

I will try to make the test for you!
I searched for some references and I will use the following color guides: Lifecolor, Prince August, FW 190D Walkaround (Squadron) and Me 109 Tome 1 (Histoire et Collections). They all have printed samples of RLM 82 and 83.
My computer is a Mac with LCD Monitor.

RLM 82
The four sample I have are pretty close and the nearest color in your chart would be B. Color A is to light and CDE are too vivid. On my samples, the RLM 82 seems to have some brown in it... I would perhaps put more magenta and less Cyan.

RLM 83
Here I have more problems with my samples! Two are very close (Squadron and Prince August) but are almost black, one looks more like RLM 63 (Lifecolor) and the last one matches your samples pretty close. I would say B C or E are the best. Sample A is to light and D is too brownish.

Of course I'm not a specialist and I don't care that much for exact colors on my models. I want to keep my "Artistic freedom" :-) But since you asked, I hope I helped you a little...
Now I will go upstairs to see what your samples look like on my PC with "normal" monitor!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:20 AM UTC
Hi again!

You've guessed it, there is a difference! And it's quite spectacular...

RLM 82
I would still go for sample B but the difference with C D E is almost not noticable as they appear less vivid than on my LCD monitor. A remains too light.

RLM 83
The difference with my other computer is important. I have much more difficulties to distinguish the shades of green. All colors also appear much darker, pretty close to the Squadron and Prince August samples (almost black). I would go for B and E.

Hope this helped a little... but I fear it adds even more to your confusion! :-)

Jean-Luc
TedMamere
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:23 AM UTC

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Er, Flitzer mate, I'm sorry to break it to you, but this is NOT going to work.... Remember 1st of all the contrast, brightness, and color mix settings on all screens are adjustable. This is becuase EVERY screen (be it LCD or CRT) has it's own characteristics, so, even if you take two different screens fresh from the factory, no two screens will be the same. This is the nature of all electronic products, they have tolerances of (usually) 1-5%, and these things will fluctuate with air temperature, humidity, etc. etc. etc.
So add this to end user preference and adjustment, this test WILL NOT WORK. The best thing to do is to tell your customers to print out the Images, preferably with a good quality laser printer.......
Sorry Mate,
Rodders (former electronics engineer)



Hi Roderick!

I think Peter is aware of this... but he is a bit masochistic when it comes to color profiles I think! :-)

Jean-Luc
flitzer
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 02:11 AM UTC
Many thanks to both of you Jean-Luc and Rod.

The aim of this little experiment was to hopefully get an average colour value for the RLM's so the profiles will be more acurate to the majoriy of viewers.
As I do them for computer viewing, its more important than getting good matches for printing.

Printing...Now thats a whole new ball game...little hairy ones at that :-) :-) However it wouldn't be too big a problem if I print, as I can adjust the colours by the layer in Pohotoshop.

Its not only all the reasons colours can vary as you have both pointed out, but I have also noticed it varies from site to site irrespecive of which particular computer I'm using. Principally I do these for Armorama, but I have some on www.luft46.com thanks to Dan Johnson and some, but not all, are really garish when compared to the same profiles here on site. Mainly the earlier ones.
I have been refining, or at least trying to balance the colours to get a better average result for a while now and this is my feeble culminative attempt to arrive at a standard palette of colours that will work in the majority of cases.
phew...talk about reading the small print

But thanks again, you have been a great help, both of you.
Plus the spin off is others my get some use out of it as many have reported strange colour variations with photographs and illustrations etc when displayed on the web/site.

Thanks again.
And keep it coming :-)

Cheers
Peter
:-)
flitzer
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 02:25 AM UTC
Additional
I have a good RLM colour guide (Monogram) but its in UK...hence me needing a little help I know...I know...Doctor!

On top of my quest for more acurate colours, was when Merlin published his review of the latest accurate set of the RLM colour chip thing.

I thought...hey up...something I can get my teeth into and apply. But some of the colours after copying to desktop were outrageously different....so the idea of compromise was born...

Cheers again
Peter
:-)
flitzer
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Posted: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 12:48 PM UTC
Hi...

your breakfast colour fix...

Bet you were all deperate to see this...

In all its glory I present....81


Thanks for being so patient.. :-)

Cheers
Peter
:-)