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What would you like to see on HF?
Tarok
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:05 AM UTC
In our latest Opinion Poll, we ask: What would you like to see more of on HF?

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
Tarok
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:52 AM UTC
p.s. if you do so happen to vote for "Other"..... pleeeeeaaaaaase tell us what "other" may include Our superhero qualities sadly do not include psychic abilities
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 04:47 AM UTC
I still maintain that the key to increasing forum activity on HF lies with the removal of the figure forum on Armorama.

My opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 04:52 AM UTC
Or at least get Jimbo to fix that referring banner image... which has been broken for as long as I can remember!



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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 07:57 AM UTC
I was in two minds wether to vote for more `SBS`s` or more `forum activity` and it seem both of these are running equal first at the moment.
I cant help but notice forum activity is slowly dwindling this past year and a lot of regular posters have disappeared, not sure why but its something that needs working on.

Steve
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 05:35 AM UTC
Sorry Rudi, thought i had posted my "other comment"

basically i'm with Chas on moving figures from armorama to here, or integrating figures to both sites? i've seen a few other scales over there too, usually 1/16th.

Mark

:)
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 05:52 AM UTC
I voted, for show reports (Jim Starkweather if you're listening, this is a hint. Where s the SCAHMS 09 report?), but I agree with Chas and others about the figure content on armorama.
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 08:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

I voted, for show reports (Jim Starkweather if you're listening, this is a hint. Where s the SCAHMS 09 report?), but I agree with Chas and others about the figure content on armorama.



Hi Matt,
I got so late in putting out the '09 report that I decided it would be better for the club to hold it over till closer to the next show so it might act as a bit of a promo for those thinking about attending 2010. Look for it in December.

Thanks,
Jim
Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 11:32 AM UTC
Bear in mind that the figure forum over on Armorama is supposed to be for those figures complimenting armor and dioramas, and primarily 1/48 and 1/35 with the odd sprinkling of 1/72. Yes it may dilute the content being posted on HF, but it's minimal (IMO). Also, it seems there are few completed figures posted there, and mostly questions about techniques, and colour schemes - in which case most of us refer the poster here anyway

With regards to the non-1/48 & 1/35 figures, such as 1/16 or historicals, we generally do try to move the topic here to HF, or suggest the poster post it here for more "specialist" opinions

While I don't agree with the toal and utter annihilation of the Armorama figure forum as Chas suggests (yeah, I've over-dramatising it, Chas just kidding tho) I think that a portal type of discussion group would not be better - a figure DG on Armorama hosted by HF? BTW, if one simply removed the figure forum from Armorama the posters would simply post their questions elsewhere on Armorama - they do it now anyway

Guys, as HF stalwards your opinions are really appreciated! Any thoughts on how to increase forum activity? Without getting tacky

Here's another thought I'd like to pass by you folks:

Do you think the current HF Discussion Group structure (note HF, not the entire Network) is overwhelming? When we set it up we tried to keep it simple. My suggestion was far more complex than you see now - it's the database designer in me Do you think we need to simply have something like (and yes, I know it's more like other forums):

- General Figure Modelling
- Work in Progress
- Finished Works
- Research
- Techniques, with sub-forums for Painting, Groundwork, Sculpting, Other (no idea what "Other" might be, but you never know )

You thoughts folks?

On the topic of more SBS's: what would you like to see? We have a general idea, but is there anything in particular? It'll help us focus our efforts

Rudi
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 12:35 PM UTC
As the figure posts on Armorama are causing concern, perhaps it may be possible that when a post is created in the figure forum it displays also on HF. What I mean by this is that a post made in the Armorama figure forum displays on both sites. I will say that I have not seen that many finished figures on Armorama that would qualify as HF material as most tend to be secondary to an AFV. The same would apply when a review is done of a figure kit that is applicable to both sites, rather than making posts on both sites make one post that displays on both. This would need to be a two way street in that the same would apply to modern figure posts on HF.

The only other option left to you is some form of rotating eye candy that displays on all sites showing what is available on other areas of the network. You could also try using eye catching pictures from your site with "to get the full story click here" sort of approach, IE bait the hook.
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 01:12 PM UTC
Well l see things this way,..
One News and new releases for both figures and after market products eg buildings, ground work materials etc.
Painting / WIP...Sculpting / converting / WIP...( use these also as help pages )
One site for finished works and questions for the exhibiting person not so much the back slapping, but tell us when asked, how one arrived at ???? why one used those colours was it a concept one was after. . Then perhaps a slap on the back but only if warranted....

Dropping the ball all the time but being told you still played well never helped the player but constructive coaching helped to improve the player / figure folk.......no matter how good we think we are....

off my soap box..Phil..



Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 03:05 PM UTC
Thanks for your comments Phil I trust you're all far away and safe from the fires up there in QLD? Our season starts soon down here in VIC

With regards to your critique comments - I completely agree with you. I like to think that here on HF we're all about sharing and learning. I also like to think that we're all mature enough to deliver and receive constructive feedback.

Rudi
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 02:59 AM UTC
I would vote for all, except the industry news because most models are announced.

Like Steve I also noticed a decrease in forum activity. Maybe it caused partly by the crisis you also see some decrease at different shows. For myself I can say I have less time for modeling and Internet due to busier private life and work. I think that more step by steps and interviews will increase the forum activity. Most of you probably knew milliputmodel webpage, they had great articles which are not found elsewhere anymore.

About the forum structure I would prefer the more simple structure(sometimes still doubting where to post in painting or in periods & players). But I would place the finished figures together with the step by step. Maybe a separate for sculpting and painting. In my opinion the timeline forum has a very good and effective structure.

I'm not so concerned about a figures catagory on armorama if it's interesting enough here people will visit the forum another time.

Only some thoughts

Cheers,
Marcel.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 11:24 AM UTC

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I voted, for show reports (Jim Starkweather if you're listening, this is a hint. Where s the SCAHMS 09 report?), but I agree with Chas and others about the figure content on armorama.



Hi Matt,
I got so late in putting out the '09 report that I decided it would be better for the club to hold it over till closer to the next show so it might act as a bit of a promo for those thinking about attending 2010. Look for it in December.

Thanks,
Jim



Sorry to browbeat Jim, just had to put my "club historian hat" on
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Posted: Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:39 AM UTC
I voted for the step by step. In my opinion almost every modeler searchs for new techniques. Looking into the forums you can see several questions about the same letīs say awares about hte healt in the modeling hobby, how to paint with acrylics, how to paint with oils, how to blend, how to fill gaps, etc. Maybe should gather all this info in many posts and make an article about those subjets so for the new guys can go directly the article, i now there are some very good articles, but maybe can make an article for example "how to paint with oils" or "how to paint with acrylics" where expose the basic techniques for each one and let the forums for the advence techniques or questions about the articles. In the case of the health awares of the modellers maybe you guys can write an article about it maybe with expert opinions, the manufactures opinions.

Another one, i like to file every artilce i found in the web about modeling subjets sometime this canīt be possible because the autor rigths and the web site, etc.. , maybe can create every month a PDF magazine for the HF guys with the best articles of the mont in the HF site . could be for free (please) or for a small fee and deliver to the e-mails of the users

Ok just som ideas, anyway HF is to me the best site for figure modeling Thanks Guys


Saludos
Tarok
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 04:29 PM UTC

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Like Steve I also noticed a decrease in forum activity. Maybe it caused partly by the crisis you also see some decrease at different shows. For myself I can say I have less time for modeling and Internet due to busier private life and work. I think that more step by steps and interviews will increase the forum activity. Most of you probably knew milliputmodel webpage, they had great articles which are not found elsewhere anymore.

About the forum structure I would prefer the more simple structure(sometimes still doubting where to post in painting or in periods & players). But I would place the finished figures together with the step by step. Maybe a separate for sculpting and painting. In my opinion the timeline forum has a very good and effective structure.



Hoi Marcel,

Thanks for your comments

That's an interesting comment about the decine in show attendance. I never knew about that. Is that local to Europe or throughout the world? Unfortunately I've only been to a few shows here in Melbourne, and not having attended the same shows previously can't comment on the participation history.

I think the Lilliput content is being hosted elsewhere - I'm sure I saw a question on TLF (by John Long I think) about it.

Are there any specific types of SBS's you'd like to see? Perhaps you'd like to write one for us about one of the figures you're working on? *hint, hint*

Groeten

Rudi
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Posted: Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 04:34 PM UTC

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I voted for the step by step. In my opinion almost every modeler searchs for new techniques. Looking into the forums you can see several questions about the same letīs say awares about hte healt in the modeling hobby, how to paint with acrylics, how to paint with oils, how to blend, how to fill gaps, etc. Maybe should gather all this info in many posts and make an article about those subjets so for the new guys can go directly the article, i now there are some very good articles, but maybe can make an article for example "how to paint with oils" or "how to paint with acrylics" where expose the basic techniques for each one and let the forums for the advence techniques or questions about the articles. In the case of the health awares of the modellers maybe you guys can write an article about it maybe with expert opinions, the manufactures opinions.

Another one, i like to file every artilce i found in the web about modeling subjets sometime this canīt be possible because the autor rigths and the web site, etc.. , maybe can create every month a PDF magazine for the HF guys with the best articles of the mont in the HF site . could be for free (please) or for a small fee and deliver to the e-mails of the users

Ok just som ideas, anyway HF is to me the best site for figure modeling Thanks Guys


Saludos



Hi trabanino,

Thanks for you comments - such a nice thing to say about HF! Thank you!!

I'll certainly ask around for people to write some articles about those you suggest.

About the pdf... free pdf writers can be downloaded (I think Cute PDF is free) and print straight to PDF - but if we email our articles out, I think our friends might not visit us anymore

Rudi
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All right, You asked for it you willa have it papy
First, that's a very good thing you're asking what we want. that the sign that you are carefull to the modellers and HF members whishes.
I 've voted for forum activity. I have the feeling that since the site has been split up/gathered, HF is sunk. "Split up/gathered" because you have now a "site" dedicated to figures, that's for the "split", but I have the impression that nobody goes on this one. Gathered because if you type armorama, and then forum (because that's the most important stuff with industry news), then you fell in the niagara of posts, melting sci fi models with 1/10 scratch cars, replicas of the sunken Titanic, and the 54mm Persian infantrymen of the 3rd battalion of Agamemnon. And this is everything but clarity.
Frankly I'm a figurinist, but I never go on HF because I read the figure post in the Niagara falls posts forum. On the other hand I like to follow, watch and comment others projects, in 1/35 military, sometimes planes and even boats.

I guess armorama problems are (for me) :
- it became overcomplicated, too much stuff, articles, informations links (mainly commercial), sub regional sections, blinking stuff, sub-sub categories etc..

- It's too much commercial (beside the fact that there is still a good ambience here, you can still make jokes with Rudy, that's the good part). There is too much commercial advertisements, it makes me sick. I understand the site has fixed fees etc..But right now I'm writing this post there is a blinking stuff on my right that distract me. And another one in the right colomn..and another one over my head..oups....okay guys I'm surrending but don't shoot with your "suppa offer mega discount" stuff (or I may escape on the left side as long as the commercial don't attack this flank...). I mean one or two years ago, many of the editors and armorama staff (like Jim) posted very exciting news in advance from eastern companies like miniart or so. It was so exciting to see those in progress shots, someitmes painted figures, even if most of the time in two years they were never released. We all have I guess, we hobbyists, the santa claus syndrom. We are all more than 30 (except maybe Alexandre and Chas ) but we are still excited by new toys santa may bring.. So these in advance pictures was commercial, but it was subbtle. It's not the case anymore. I have the feeling to be in my supermarket (and I hate being in such place).

I come here for learning, admiring and sowhing (and teaching I hope somedays, when I will have the level)

- The third point is linked with the previous one. If you turn yourself to the commercial stuff, you will divert from the youngs. If you do not show interest to the younger (at least the braviest ones that took time to build an horrible thing, glued parts in the wrong way and painted its sptifire in red because it's funnier) , they will return to their playstation, take some drugs and go to jail (Rudi wasn't you that like to exagerate ). I must admit that sometimes even some of you do not comment on middle age/experienced modeller who did nice stuff related to the Sfax taking , so I understand it could be boring to comment on crappy beginner stuff..

So to exit the crisis HF experience here are my recommandation :
- Find a way to simplify that niagara messy stuff with the post.
- You could create sub categories for the figure section : wip/in progress/completed/sculpture whateever you will find appropriate, but make it only if you already ahve simplified the rest in accordance with the first point. A research section is damn critical for figures modellers also !

- create tutorials for beginners and middle experience guys. These are essential because it show you that scratching you figure in full is not that hard. And then you will have the experienced modellers that will follow with other SBS and they will show you that yes, it's hard in fact..

- remove half of those f....g advertisments. Even from a marketing point of view too much advertisment kills the advertisements, or as monsieur Tati (and JBA with him) would say, too much colors distract the viewer...

And there is no mistery, the way to increase the forum activity i is simple : you have to show us YOUR works RUDI, or should I say Papy ! More seriously a forum is active if there is activity meaning people posting their in progress stuff, because they know they will there people that could help with techniques, others that will encourage, criticize, compare, make jokes etc... You can do all the sweepstakes you want, all the polls, free t sheet to win contest, if people don't get reply and advise when they post, they will turn to a smaller forum but with more active peoples (that's what I did).

You know I guess things in our hobby are changing (or because I get old I can see them clearer now). Everything became too commercial. During 30 years we have 2 companies, italeri and tamiya, releasing 1 new set per year. People were complaining but you were forced to be inventive and patient. Now you have 874 companies, releasing 54 news a month, for 5 times the price it was 10 years ago. And by this way they succed in curing me from the modeller desease (buying more kit that you can make in an entire life).

You know Mig and Terry withdrawal has something to do with that also I guess......One was apparently pressured to create, the other received hundreds of [auto-censored] seals on the head just because he was honnest in his reviews, apparently a chinese tradition...Fun was gone whereas it is the root of our mutual passion.

Hope this is not too much philosophical, that could help and that this kind of post could help to increase activity

Julien
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Posted: Monday, November 09, 2009 - 12:47 AM UTC
and I follow Chas, Rudi, if you have balls, you make those 1/35 figures makers come under our flag and join a common site dedicated to figures, whatever their scale, or if they will come with a tank, a boat, a pairt of tits or nothing else than them !
Julien
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Rudi,

You were smart enough to lock yourself the thread were a guy called Marco insult you.
Congrats mate, I was about to insult him

Best,
Julien
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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 12:33 AM UTC

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Hoi Marcel,

Thanks for your comments

That's an interesting comment about the decine in show attendance. I never knew about that. Is that local to Europe or throughout the world? Unfortunately I've only been to a few shows here in Melbourne, and not having attended the same shows previously can't comment on the participation history.

I think the Lilliput content is being hosted elsewhere - I'm sure I saw a question on TLF (by John Long I think) about it.

Are there any specific types of SBS's you'd like to see? Perhaps you'd like to write one for us about one of the figures you're working on? *hint, hint*

Groeten

Rudi



Hoi Rudi,

I saw some comments on Spanish forums about show decline in spain and also heard Euro-militaire had less attendance this year. I'm not attending that many shows myself either to notice the difference. But I can imagine that increase in travelling cost these days could cause that people stay at home.

You are right about the lilliput content but this is only a small part. On the lilliput website there were much more articles. This was one of the reasons I was a frequent visitor of that site.

An article or an SBS of one of the big names in the modeling world would surely create a lot of interest from a lot of modellers and thus more forum visits. But I can imagine this is not easy to lay hands on.
I doubt if the people are that intersted in articles of my stuff. But I just finished two articles of my last two figures which will be probably released on a cd, magazine or not depending on the available money ofcourse. If I'm aloud to publish them here in the future also I will send them. From my next figures I will make some more photos so I can write an SBS or aricle for here.

Groeten,
Marcel.