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Oil paint mix for buckskins
mongo_mel
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 11:13 PM UTC
I'll be starting the construction of S&T's "Rocky Mountain Trapper" figure soon.
I'm looking for oil mixes for painting buckskin. I haven't done any buckskin before and am not sure what colors to use. I'm guessing that something like Raw Sienna might be a good start.
I'm looking for at least 2 different mixes so I can distinguish between his pants and his jacket. Can anybody out there help me out with this?
Thanks,
dioman
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 12:10 AM UTC
Hi mongo or mel or mongo mel if you prefer:
Buckskins were smoke tanned, which means basically that they were hung over a fire....kind of like smoked meat.....so usually they came out quite dark....some mountain men used to dye them...greens...reds...blues and yellows could be seen....but muted tones of these colours. Being smoke tanned and the fact that to these guys, doing laundry and taking a bath was going for a swim to get across a river, their buckskins got pretty dirty and dark...Raw Sienna.....Burnt Umber....Naples Yellow ...are all good starts for raw buckskins that are undyed. I would start with a mix of Raw Sienna and add some Burnt Umber to it until it looks right to you...shade with Burnt Umber and highlight with Naples Yellow. Buckskins rarely, if ever, looked like the light yellow colour that Hollywood portraits but if you prefer this colour....Naples Yellow and Raw Sienna shaded with more Raw Sienna and highlighted with White would be a good start.
Good luck to you and post some pics when you're done.....I'd love to see it!
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 01:14 AM UTC
What timing! I just picked up a mountain man figure from EMI this weekend and will be doing his "leathers". Thanks for the tips.
I've been playing with the beadwork pattern in Word, "painting" designs in drawing boxes to save the grief of trying to get a pattern onto the figure first time. :-)
mongo_mel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 01:49 AM UTC
Hi Grant,
Thanks for the info. When all the prep work is done I'll give those colors a try.
The box art picture shows the clean yellow looking buckskin. I think I'm going to go for the earthier shade.
I'll post progress pictures in my Armorama group album on MSN.
I'm just about done with the Greek bust I've been working on and there will be pictures of it there too.
Oh yea...Mongo is fine...so is just plain Craig..I'm pretty easy to please
Thanks again,
AndersHeintz
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 01:57 AM UTC
Hola Mel,

Ive tried quite a few different colors and tones for buckskinns, the one I like the best is a base of Yellow Ochre or Golden Ochre, shade with either burnt umber, vandyke brown, or with a green. High Light with Naples Yellow and or white. Make sure to paint spots and blood stains on his buckskinns as it is a large scale figure (200mm correct?)
How is the figure otherwise? Casting and detail is good? I would assume its top notch looking at John Rosengrants previous works and S&T's casting quailties!
dioman
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:32 AM UTC
Nice tips Anders...I'm at school and couldn't for the life of me think of the colour Yellow Ochre and I've only heard of Golden Ochre not used it....I am going to look for it now instead of take a lunch break!!! Modelaholics to the end!!!
mongo_mel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 02:34 AM UTC
Hi Anders,
At first glance it looks like a great figure. Haven't seen any air bubbles or short shots on the castings. The detail looks beautiful to me. The muzzle loader looks spectacular. I'll know more once I start cleaning it up and assembling it. One problem I may have is how to assemble it and still be able to paint the chest area. He is in a sitting position, with the left arm resting on the left leg. If I assemble the arm to the body and then the upper and lower body halves, could be tough to get at it. I'll have to see which has the smallest gap to fill, arm to shoulder or body halves. Then go from there. Probably do the body halves first than add the arm afterwards. One nice thing is the joining of the legs to the body. They slide up into the bottom of the jacket. No seams to fill so they can be painted separately and attached later. The right hand is molded to the rifle and slides into the sleeve. Very nice!
I'm excited to start working on this piece. My plan is to finish it for the MFCA show in May
(yea...that's a long way off, but I work pretty slow).
What do you think, Al?
I'll probably start another bust at the same time so I can keep up the painting skills while I'm doing the construction work on the trapper. I picked up a very cool Batman bust at the Washington D.C. show a couple of weeks ago. The outfit makes it look like it's from the 1930s or '40s.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 03:25 AM UTC
Mel,
I just did soem further research on the clothing. The concensus of reality seems seems to indicate some pretty grungy outfits on these guys. One's outfit was described as (paraphrasing) Black, stinking black, greasy black, bloody black. Black. It seems these guys used their buckskins as generally cleaning cloths for everything which increased the waterproof quality of the skins. I plan on a more heroic/artistic interpretation with a couple shades of lighter tans as the base colors.
The EMI figure is standing, cradling his muzzle loader, a beautiful casting, in his right hand with his left hand on his left hip. His left foot is resting on a raised rock. He comes with a separate haversack, powderhorn and either a 2 pice coonskin type hat or a broad brimmed felt hat. His arms are a separate pieces. The beadwork is well defined and should be a time intensive, but not overly difficult process.
I built S&T's Texas Cavalry and have their Union Artilery office. They make great figures, don't they?
mongo_mel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 08:07 PM UTC
Al,
This is the first S&T figure I've done but you're right, the quality seems great. I may have to look at getting their paratrooper figure.
I've posted some pictures of the Trapper in my Armorama MSN Group album of the Trapper.
No paint, just loose assembly.

http://groups.msn.com/Armorama/mongomel.msnw?albumlist=2

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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:40 AM UTC
Interesting but what is buckskinns??????
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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:40 AM UTC
Interesting but what is buckskinns??????
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 01:48 AM UTC

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Interesting but what is buckskinns??????



Tanned deerskin leather clothing, usually with fringe. Think Buffalo Bill or the coat worn by "Billy" (Dennis Hopper) in Easy Rider or Jon Voight in Midnight Cowboy.