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Tarleton: Intro, steps 1 & 2 comment thread
mongo_mel
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Posted: Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 08:49 AM UTC
Hi guys,
You can use this thread to post your comments, questions and pictures for the introduction and steps 1 and 2 of the Tarleton group build.
Thanks,
Craig
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Posted: Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 09:32 AM UTC
Thanks Craig for the posts. You really got this going pretty quick I thought It would be a little longer. Well its 11:00 pm here and im probably not gonna get to bed any time soon gonna go open that bust an get some of it cleaned up possibly assembled.
Thanks again craig.
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Posted: Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 04:09 PM UTC
OK Craig:

We're off and runnin' . . . .

Hokay Grim, (ah . . . as in The Grim Reaper, Herr Rurnke?)
are you ready to get started?
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Posted: Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 05:59 PM UTC
Craig, this is great stuff, spec for newbies like me.

cheers.
If its not to much asked, i'd really like to get the articles in Pdf format.

grts Remi aka Boduognat chief of Nervii
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Posted: Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 10:04 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Yeah, I got these 3 installments off a lot quicker than I thought I would. But the painting installments will still take some time to complete. So no great rush to get the assembly finished. Take your time :-)
I was talking to staff Jim last night on line and we may be able to load the pdf files to the site. Then everyone will be able to download them directly. I'll keep you posted about this.
Craig
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Posted: Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 12:43 AM UTC
Hi Craig,
Busy man, I have just seen your thread on painting a bust with oils.
your timing is impeccable as I have just got a verlinden bust of a Panzer officer , so I will follow using that as a variation to try out your methods.
regards
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 05:06 PM UTC
Hi Mark,
Good to have you on board with us
I'd like to suggest to everyone that is taking part in this build to subscribe to the thread. When I get the next installment published (not for a while yet :-) ) I'll post a notice and a link here. then you'll be sure to know that it's on line.
Craig
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Posted: Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 06:34 PM UTC
Hi Craig:

Must commend you for the very basic and thorough way you're writing and
using your excellent photos to explain your SBS process. I thought your
concept was really good. I was eager to take part, but I didn't think you
were going to go to all the extra trouble to write in such a basic, simple
to understand style. I mention this because I'm doing a four part series on
Aeroscale of a 1:32nd model I built some years ago. I wanted to make it
so it would be most helpful to beginners. I didn't realize when I started
how much more time consuming it is to explain every detail as you're
doing. Requires a lot of editing and rereading what you've written. Now
I understand why so many modeling articles just gloss over the details ó
meaning you would have to be an experienced modeler to follow the
meaning of the author. It is a lot easier to write that way and much less
time consuming. Reminds me of the old adage, that remains true:

Thinking is hard work!!
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Posted: Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 06:50 PM UTC
Hi Rick,
Thanks for those kind words

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Thinking is hard work!!


Yeh...my brain was aching this weekend. Couple of hours Friday night and probably 5 or 6 on Saturday as well. I don't like thinking this much :-)
Craig
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Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 04:27 AM UTC
Hi guys,
How goes the bust? I haven't heard from anyone for a while now and was getting curious how everyone's doing.
Looking forward to hearing some updates
Craig
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Posted: Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 06:33 PM UTC
Ummmm...guys....???
Anybody out there
(hehehe)

There is something I wanted to ask....
If you're doing this group build, would you mind sending me a PM with an email address? What I'd like is first, to know who all is involved and second, to be able to email those involved to let them know when there's a new installment published or be able to ask everyone individually when thet're ready to go on to the next step.
Also, if you're doing the build on the quiet (rather than participating on line) I'd like to know that too. That way if there's anything I can help out with, we can do it one-on one rather than in the forum.
Thanks,
Craig
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Posted: Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 08:07 PM UTC
Ya got most of it assembled taking a while because in process of trying to get job and cleaning out my room/modeling room so as of now its come pretty close to halt not giving up though. PM sent craig though I don't rarely check it.

A.J.
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Posted: Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 09:57 PM UTC
Verlinden 200mm Tarlton Bust. Acrylic base coat. Head is not glued in
place.




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Posted: Friday, November 03, 2006 - 10:59 PM UTC
Hey Rick,

Excellent work!!!!! Looks like you don't need the SBS Looks like your face is almost done?

Rudi
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Posted: Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 07:45 AM UTC
Hi guys,
Thanks for the updates.

AJ,
I hope the build is going well. No worries on the time as it will be a while before I post another installment. I just wanted to give everyone a chance to get it built up so when the painting begins we'll all be ready to go.

Rick,
Looking good! You're further ahead with yours than I am :-)
Looks like you're doing some shading and even some highlighting with your undercoat work. Do you find this helps with the final product?

Thanks guys,
Craig

PS: Rick, I just noticed that you haven't added the kit supplied pedesta to your bust. Aren't you going to use it?
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Posted: Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 05:37 PM UTC
Hello fellow figure painters:

@ M.E. Rudi: Thanks for the kind remarks, my friend. Most appreciated.
But actually you can't see the blotches very well on the face, from the
struggle I'm having. But they are there. Not smooth like what Ernesto gets.

Altho it is getting better with those acrylics. I had been putting or
loading too much paint into the brush. And John Belcher mentioned how
he uses a damp clean cotton cloth. After loading the brush, he touches
the SIDE of the brush bristles against that cloth to rid the brush of too
much paint. It seems to have made a difference. For when I come to the
end of the stroke, NOW there isn't a pool of paint left behind.

@ Craig: Re whether adding some shading and highlighting w/ the
acrylics in the undercoating is a good idea or not, I'm still at the guessing
stage. Need a lot more experience before I'll figure it out. So I thought I
would try it and hopefully smooth out the blotches in the face and uniform
with the oil paint. Well, at least that was the plan, Stan!!
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Posted: Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 06:18 PM UTC
To Craig Whitaker:

Oooooooooops, sorry Craig
But it seems I didn't answer your last question when you mentioned that
you didn't see the pedestal stand that the bust fits on (it's the resin
piece that looks like a broken chess piece?) and was wondering if I
intend to use it. Yes, I will use it. I drilled a hole in it that the brass rod
will fit down into, later. Right now that brass rod is the handle for when
I'm painting the uniformed chest portion of the bust. Intend to glue in
the head to the neck and the chest to the pedestal when near the end.

'Errrrr that's the plan, at least!
Madman
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 09:25 PM UTC
Well, am I the first one who has kicked off his Tarleton project?

Nothing fancy so far, I just followed the steps as per Craig's instructions. I filled in a couple of air bubbles with putty, and used a bead of Milliput to attach the helmet to the head.

Here are the first photos of the bust, ready for the primer.





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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 03:06 PM UTC
Hi Craig and all,

I'm a bit behind with this. Over spent last month so got to wait till pay day before I can get the bust to even make a start.

Hopefully I'll get him next week and catch up.

Take it steady,

Vic
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 11:36 PM UTC
Hi Pierre,
Good to see your progress
Rick's pictures of his bust seem to have disappeared but he has made some good progress too. And I've heard from Jacob (redneck). His bust arrived recently and he should be starting his assembly soon.
So Vic, you're not really behind on the build

Piere, I think I see a gap where the kit pedestal meets the wood base. If you have a rod extended down from the kit pedestal into the wood base, I think there is an easy way to correct this gap if you want.. You could try enlarging the hole in the wood base to allow the kit pedestal to sit flat on it. When you finally attach the completed figure to the wood base, you'll be packing this hole with some epoxy putty as well as a snake of the same around the rod to be squashed between the wood base and the kit pedestal. So the larger hole won't hurt the final joint.

I'm happy to see the enthusiasm hasn't died out for this project.
I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's progress pictures.
I'm going to try to get the face painting installment written up soon.
If everyone wants to,when we're all ready, we can forge ahead with that step.
But no worries and no rush. Plenty of time until then.
Thanks again guys for your interest,
Craig
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 12:58 AM UTC
Pierre its looking good so far

Iíve noticed the same thing as Craig on the base.

To me it looks like (and this may just be from the picture.) That the top of the base isnít exactly level. If thats the case you best bet will probably be to fill the gap in.
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 01:01 AM UTC

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...there is an easy way to correct this gap if you want...


Thanks Craig, I will follow your advice. An easy fix indeed
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 01:20 AM UTC
Hi Jacob and Pierre,
Jacob, you mention filling the gap. My copy of the bust was pretty good for the the top and bottom surfaces of the kit pedestal being flat with respect to each other and to the "center" of the pedestal. By that I mean that the piece sat nice and level when loosely assembled. No leaning to either side or front to back. That's what makes me think it's just the center rod pushing it up at one end. Since it didn't happen on mine, I didn't think to address this possibility in my write-up.

My mistake and my apologize for it

Most of the busts I've done don't have separate pieces to contend with like this one. Usually it's just using my support rod showing between the wood base and the bust. For this, I just drill the hole in the wood base that just allows the support rod to sit in it with almost no clearance. And since I'm using my drill press, it's usually turns out nice and straight . Then I drill/grind the oversized hole in the underside of the bust, pack it about 2/3 full of epoxy putty, push the bust down on the support rod and tilt it around until it sits nice and square. Something you might want to do is to mark on the bottom of the wood base which direction is to face the front of the bust. This makes it easy to line it up for final assembly. Nothing worse than to get the bust facing the wrong face and then notice it tilting off to one side (trust me, I know this first hand).
After the putty hardens, I'll apply more to fill in the oversized hole as needed and smooth it out. This usually doesn't have to be too perfect on a flat bottom bust because you can't see it. On a bust with a slanted bottom you have to take care to smooth it out so no flaws show.

I sure hope I don't forget anything else on this project :-)
Craig
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 03:01 AM UTC
Craig I was talking about Pierres wooden base and not the one in the kit.
But now that Iíve looked at it more Iím inclined to say its just the picture.

Personally on mine Iím thinking of slicing the post off flush with the bottom of the risen base and the making a 1/16" deep impression in the top of the wooden one. Donít know yet as I stillhave to build the base.

Anyway Iím hoping to start building my figure in a day or 2.
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 04:19 AM UTC
Hi jacob,
After reading your post I took a closer look at the base in Pierre's picture. It's funny the things one can see and especially not see.
I can see what you're talking about with the top of the wood base and now understand what you meant. And I agree with you that it could just be the picture.
My eye was drawn originally to the bottom of the kit pedestal. It looks a little thicker on the right side than the left side and I thought that might be the cause too. But as I mentioned, mine was no problem so that lead me to think it was due to the rod.
I'm guessing by Pierre's respose that he thinks it is the rod too.
Pierrre, please be sure to let us know how my suggestion works. And if it doesn't work then I think Jacob has the answer for you.

Jacob,

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Personally on mine Iím thinking of slicing the post off flush with the bottom of the risen base and the making a 1/16" deep impression in the top of the wooden one. Donít know yet as I stillhave to build the base.



That sounds like a good alternative. Weren't you thinking of re-making the kit pedestal out of the same wood you were using to make your base? I'd think that would really look good.

Everyone,
Jacob had asked me in a PM if I was planning on painting the kit pedestal to look like wood. I said that I'd never be able to make it look anywhere near as good as the rosewood base I'm using so I was going to paint it with Mars Black oil paint just like I'm painting the portion of the bust underneath the uniform.
Just for your info...
Craig